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zplncht we begin this sunday with the pending showdown on capitol hill. a time of intensity as speaker pelosi calls it. in the morning the house kicks off a week that could determine the future of president biden's entire agenda. the speaker telling members of the house they will hold votes on three items starting tomorrow. a budget resolution. the bipartisan infrastructure bill, and a $3.5 trillion reconciliation package. not the case for the reconciliation bill. the negotiations ongoing. house progressives holding strong against infrastructure reform unless it's paired with reconciliation. it's unclear how it will play out. we know speaker pelosi's record.
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she won't hold a vote unless the votes are there. >> let me just say we're going to pass the bill this week. i promise that we would bring the bill to the floor. but know, i'm never bringing a bill to the floor that doesn't have the votes. you have to go when you have the votes in a reasonable time, and we will. >> it's a high stake moment for democrats. president biden's entire domestic agenda including america's economic future on the line. many party strategists argue the gridlock on capitol hill threatens the survival of the very coalition that got biden elected as the ap puts it, failure to deliver on his broader agenda could, quote, devastate democrats in the 2022 vote. and raise questions about biden's path to reelection. joining us now, massachusetts democratic congresswoman pressley. good to see you. your sense of where things stand right now?
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>> well, speaker pelosi as you said is great at counting votes. i believe she knows the only way the vote count works is if we have an ironclad commitment with the senate on the build back better act. the bill that makes good on our promises. you know, with a decisive majority having the house, senate and the white house comes a mandate. and we must make these bold investments in child care. in home and community-based services for the elderly and the disabled. in climate justice. the resilience, in housing investments to repair housing that has been sub par, particularly in our public housing. we've been clear from the beginning that any vote on a narrow bipartisan infrastructure bill for highways, roads, and bridges, must follow a vote on a bold reconciliation package that will make those bold investments in care, in climate, in housing, in paid leave. this has been our position from the get go. a deal is a deal.
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and we have to have both. this is critical to the president's bill build back better agenda. this agenda is the people's agenda. this is the moment we have a once in a lifetime opportunity to not only ensure that we have a just and equitable recovery, but that we do not return to an unjust status quo precovid normal but that we are charting a different path forward. >> so congresswoman, let me ask you. there's a lot of talk about this number. this $3.5 trillion you had speaker pelosi saying, quote, seems self-evident that the final number could be lower than $3.5 trillion. i know that when i've talked to you when i have talked to other progressives, what they have said is the fixation shouldn't be on the number. it is on what we need to get done. what's the problem we're trying to fix. what's the amount necessary and let's work backwards from there. if you're hearing the number could be less than 3.5 trillion,
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what is it you worry won't be in that deal? >> you know, i can't deal in hypotheticals. what i care about is substance and impact. climate resiliency, child care, paid leave, housing. you know, these things are not -- child care isn't a nice to have. making investments in housing and infrastructure that is falling down around people, making emboldened in the v investments in climate resiliency, which is not only a threat to the livability of the planet, but threatening lives and livability every day, paid leave. investments in home and community-based services for the disabled and the elderly. these are not nice to haves. these are must haves. and so that's why i'm focussed on substance and impact. might i add i know there are some who fear that if we go too
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bold that we stand to risk the majority. but i would argue that if we play small, and we do not meet the moment and meet the needs of the people, that is what stands to risk the majority. not a slow and bold. because we have the majority, and we have a mandate, and we need to act accordingly and more over, honor the original terms of the agreement. and that is a narrow bipartisan traditional infrastructure bill paired with a bold reconciliation package that makes those investments in human infrastructure critical. >> as much as this is what we are all focussed on. this is going to be the big story of the week. this is not the only thing happening on the hill. house democrats voted to establish a federal right to abortion. my question to you is two-fold. i wonder if you think president widen is doing enough to respond to the emergency that resulted from the supreme court's refusal to block the texas law. and will voters make republicans
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pay for this in the midterms? >> well, you know, i continue to reel from the extremism of this supreme court which has proven when it comes to housing rights, to voting rights, to reproductive freedom, they are not on the side of the people. and we also have some of the senate who have proven themselves to perhaps have contempt for the american people. or to be completely oblivious to how unprecedented the hardship is, and how in this moment, we must do everything to alleviate it. i am proud that this first pro-choice majority congress in the history of congress which i proudly chair -- i was a lead sponsor with judi choou. this is a victory for them and
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reproductive freedom. judi has been preparing for this summit for a some time knowing we would need to codify roe v. wade on a federal level. after what happened in texas, we knew it was that much more critical. they were the first, but likely they would not be the last. there's been a coordinated attack in legislatures throughout the country to roll back reproductive freedom. health care justice, and abortion care. and we know that with these draconian dangerous laws, it doesn't mean that people will stop having abortions. it means they won't have safe legal abortions. and that threatens people's very lives. so it was a proud day. i'm proud that this congress, democratic majority, pro-choice majority caucus is standing in the gap in the face of the extremism of this supreme court. and i urge senator schumer, leader schumer, and president biden to advance this bill
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urgently in the senate and get it to the president's desk to be signed into law. so that we can ban other state laws like this one from coming to fruition and also codify bodily autonomy and reproductive freedom. >> congresswoman, before i let you go, i want to make sure i ask you about what happened at the border this week. a group of haitian migrants attempting to seek asylum. the image of men on horseback appearing to whip migrants are reigns. you also called the biden administration to stop deportation flights. your reaction to the way the administration has handled this crisis. >> well, title 42, the rationale used to justify this -- these deportations in the interest of the public health was something weaponized under the trump administration. title 42 should be repealed. we should halt deportations immediately. seeking legal asylum is exactly
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that. it is legal. it is a human right. and in the same way that we have been able to process asylum claims for other migrants, we should be doing the same for the people of haiti. a region that has been ravaged by a pandemic that is still recovering from the assassination of its president. still recovering from an earthquake. it most recent natural disaster. swaths of the region are without power and without clean water. there were children as young as three years old, and many of these haitians who are being deported have not been to haiti for a decade, if not longer. and all or most of the children have never been there. we have to repeal title 42, halt deportations. it is cruel. it is inhumane, and it could quite literally be a death sentence. and finally, and this is in my capacity as co-chair of the haiti caucus.
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that's why i've been out front. i represent the third large -- in my capacity in the oversight committee, i'm calling for the accountability for the treatment of haitians being whipped by cbp officials. there must be an investigation. i've asked for an immediate briefing by cbp, and they should be held accountable. >> as always, thank you. let's break it down with our panel joining us. listen to what nancy pelosi said earlier to my colleague. take a listen. >> okay. i'm thinking that we do not have that sound. you have heard what the speaker has been saying all day. in general, her language tends to be very precise in the exchange that i wasn't able to play for you. she doesn't answer a question about having the votes to pass
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both of these bills. i wonder what your sources are telling you about what to expect this week. >> well, thank you for having me. and i did see the exchange. the thing i think is the most important, and you noted this in our coverage of this chaotic week that's ahead of us this week. she's not going to put a bill on the floor that she knows won't have the vote. a bill that she knows will fail. so they're still working out from what i'm hearing, the timing and how this is happening. the speaker is going to be convening a 5:30 p.m. meeting with the house democratic caucus tomorrow night. that's her chance to make her last final case for this bill. her goal, she stated this in a dear colleague letter this weekend, is to pass both the short-term government funding bill that needs to pass by september 30th or we'll have a government shutdown. the reconciliation bill, and the 1.2 trillion bipartisan infrastructure bill. all three.
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it's going to be really hard to get that reconciliation bill across the finish line this week. just given the negotiations that are still happening, and we heard this -- we saw and heard from congresswoman presley, but there's many years that aren't agreed to, and it's going to be a while. i think we have to see what happens. tomorrow is a big day. moderates are really pushing to have this vote. tomorrow she promised them they would have a vote by september 27th. and right now they have been looking at republicans to see if they can make up the numbers from all the republican -- progressives that say they're willing to sink the bill. it's going to be a tight vote and close. but again, pelosi, she doesn't put a bill on the floor she doesn't think can get the votes. >> can you walk us through what the sticking points are? >> yeah. for sure. so it's important to keep in mind here that pelosi also made basically said she's not necessarily going to bring this up for a vote tomorrow, but we
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even heard from congressman gottheimer, the problem solver's co-chair. he's also mentioned that at least when it comes to those sticking points which is the promise to have this vote by tomorrow. really what they're going to do now is consider it. there is no necessarily rule laid out that says how it should be brought up, when it should be brought up. except that it should be generally considered by the house tomorrow. so when it comes to actual sticking points, there's a number of things that of course progressives and moderates are asking. right now it's really the process. when are they going to be able to finally vote. and, of course, the progressives are not going to give moderates any votes on that bipartisan bill until reconciliation is done. that reconciliation bill, of course, is still in the process of trying to figure out that price tag number. it's likely going to get cut as you heard pelosi say.
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where are those cuts going to come from? and are progressives going to be happy that possibly some policies are not going to be funded in the way they had initially hoped? those are still a lot of the things that need to be ironed out. it's not likely to happen by tomorrow. and leaders are betting that it could happen by mid to late this week. but still a lot to be ironed out. >> all right. we will continue to watch the story. alaina, thank you. next, new rally. same lies. trump added a twist last night in georgia that may put him in even more legal jeopardy. plus they knew it, and hit it. new details about the fossil fuel industry driving its own disinformation campaign. and later, a match made in heaven. a colorado husband learns he can save his spouse by donating his own kidney. they're going to join us. stay with us. ey're going to jois stay with us erent. oh, we can help with that. okay, imagine this...
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at his speech last night in georgia the former president revealed something new about his exhaustive effort to overturn the 2020 election. speaking at a rally trump admitted to calling up governor brian kemp, begging for a special election of the 2020 presidential race in the state. of course, that special election for president did not happen. and recount after recount confirmed joe biden did, in fact, turn the state blue. but that doesn't satisfy the trump pace's desire to delegitimize fair and free elections. it's reported trump's pick for georgia's secretary of state was showered with applause when he promised to get rid of the incumbent republican who failed to heed trump's demands to overturn the election results. part of the wider effort to undermine faith in elections. we have republican leaders in at least four states now pushing similar election reviews like
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the one that unfolded in arizona's maricopa county. the moves come despite the fact that the cyber ninjas fraud it confirmed biden's victory in arizona. joining us now melissa murray and waja alley. i want to start this with georgia. there was a report of the potential criminal investigation in georgia writing the post election conduct in georgia leaves him at substantial risk of possible state charges predicated on multiple crimes. the post election conduct continues. he asked the governor for a special election. last week he sent the state a letter asking georgia to decertify the 2020 results. how do the individual actions play into the bigger plot to overturn the will of the people? >> this report is something of a
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barn barner. i mean, it's a blueprint the prosecutors can use for going forward in analyzing and investigating and ultimately prosecuting the former president for what happened. in advance of the events of january 6th and what led to january 6th. it outlines a series of not only state level election resulted crimes but also just general crimes that this behavior falls under. including georgia's racketeering influence corrupt acts statue. so generally we normally think of this as something that deals with organized crime. they talk about in the georgia statute, this kind of behavior organizing with other people and working with other people. giuliani is named and others to influence and to do corrupt and criminal acts. so this is not simply about this election. it can go further. and as it gets investigated, the scope may expand further. it's critically important that all of this is investigated whether at the federal or state levels. we're understanding exactly the threat that we're dealing with.
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it's not simply the acts of one person. we're seeing now as you noted throughout the country, efforts to have state legislatures take more power in the elector process, place electoral officials like the secretary of state in place that can be removed only through the efforts of the governor or other party officials so in time these sorts of things can be more effective than they were in 2020 and 2021. >> so as always, melissa got it right. this isn't just about trump. this is about the ways that republicans are working to undermine future elections. congressman jimmy raskin had this to say this morning on msnbc. take a listen. >> the republican party is a minority party. it's a shrinking party. it literally has no platform coming out of its 2020 convention. the whole strategy is to try to keep people from voting and using every anti-democratic trick in the book from gerrymandering to the filibuster, to right wing judicial activism to these
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election fraud its in order to stop democracy from working. >> you hear the list there at the end. all the tactics they're employing. how do you see those building upon one another as part of a larger scheme to maintain power? >> we have to call it for what it is. the end game is fascism. it's going to be minority rule. white christian supremacy. if people think i'm being hysterical. look at the evidence. a majority of republicans voted not to certify the election. there was a big lie that biden lost. a majority of republicans believe it thanks to donald trump. there was a violent insurrection that overtook the capitol. five people died. the criminals are seen as martyrs. more evidence is coming out now that donald trump pressured the justice department to go along with the scheme. we just found out the six point blueprint written by a republican attorney that gave them the blueprint. we have a audio recording of him
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pressuring someone. he admitted i pressured governor kemp. i love it when criminals admit their crimes. now you're seeing a fraudulent audit in arizona. what we're seeing now is it's going to be repeated because you want to weaponize the base and promote disinformation an degrade our faith and trust in the election. whenever a republican loses in 2022 or 2024, they're going to follow the play book like elder in california. the end is a constitutional crisis and a political crisis, and what republicans are going to do is use all these measures to ensure minority rule. it is a pathway toward fascism. >> in that sort of complicated sweater that was just woven, i want to pull one thread, the january 6th insurrection. the house select committee investigaing issued a round of subpoenas to four members of trump's inner circle. political reports they want to
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hear from people who have already pled guilty. >> you know, this committee is really trying to wrap up quickly that is likely meaning in the next year or so. because if you do think about it, we're talking about minority, majorities here in the house. they could potentially lose that majority. and it's -- it wouldn't be unlikely if a majority leader kevin mccarthy just completely undoes this committee in 2023. so something they are really trying to get through. they've been working really quickly. they've really only been established for several months. already issuing letters, asking the people -- asking people, technology companies to withhold information. and as you mentioned already, issuing subpoenas. they are to people who were in trump's inner circle including chief of staff mark meadows. they all want to know from them and also potentially from other staff at the white house and
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potentially republican leaders as well who was communicating with the white house. what were the conversations about? how much did trump know in those hours when the insurrection was happening and members of congress reportedly pleading for him to take action and really call for his supporters to stop. so they want to get as many answers as possible. and it's likely we will start to see a number of closed door testimonies. so nothing public. but at least a number of these people in trump's orbit, coming to capitol hill next month, or potentially trying to defy subpoenas as well. >> i want to just zoom out for a moment. because the em brags of lies about the election from trump supporters from the republicans mirrors the battle against disinformation we're seeing when it comes to covid-19. what do you see as the connection between the two? >> i mean, it's the same infrastructure and eco system that seeks to radicalize and weaponize the base to basically unleash them as a force against the establishment.
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the establishment is democratic rule. the establishment is science. anything and everything that could be weaponized for a culture war, whether it's cancel culture or dr. seuss or masks or vaccines is being employed right now. let's look at loudoun county close by to me in virginia. it started off as against crt and transgender rights and now masks and vaccines. you have a radicalized, an army for trump that can be and will be unleashed by the conservative movement to what they say is tyrannical rule by the deep state. a white supremacist theory that says all of us are part and parcel of an organization. we have the mark of the beast to oppress everyone else and replace them. a white supremacist theory that's mainstreamed and talked about openly by tucker karl son. you're seeing a mob and democracy to be unleashed against the majority. this is why all of it is connected. it's part of the eco system that does not fair about facts,
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science, truth, and look at arizona. they don't care. they said i don't care about the facts or results. we believe in this disinformation. we believe in the big lie, and we're going to go for it. texas and do the same thing over again to degrade our democracy and to radicalize more folks. the people who are elected know better but realize the mob now controls the gop. it's a very dangerous situation right now. >> melissa, i have a question for you about the literal mob. there was new reporting from the times about an fbi informant's interaction with the proud bows on january 6th. it reads in the version of events the proud boys famous for their street fights were largely following a pro trump mob consumed by a herd mentality rather than carrying out any type of preplanned attack. does that complicate the attempt to file conspiracy charges against the proud boys? >> possibly. not definitely. possibly. it's the case here that the fact that this particular informant
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didn't seem to have an organized plan that he was following and relating back to his fbi handlers, suggesting maybe he was not involved in any long-standing conspiracy. the thing about conspiracy is it doesn't necessarily need to be long-lived or deeply premed dated. you can form a conspiracy by agreeing in the moment to do something in furtherance of an illegal act. it can form on the fly. that may have been what happened. as long as two members of the proud boys or other groups say let's storm the capitol and tear stuff up, you've got a conspiracy to commit a criminal act. inviting a building, disrupting events or destroying property. a conspiracy can happen in lots of ways. i think what needs to be looked at here is what is the scope of the behavior that happened during this time. who were the individuals involved. and more particularly, what is the level of intelligence that's going back between these informants and the fbi. that's the most glaring aspect of this story. there was communication between
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this informant and his handler that wasn't related back or even looked at in determining the level of risk on january 6th. >> thank you all. next, burying the truth. how oil companies fuelled climate disinformation online. we are joined with a mission to hold them accountable. plus news from del rio, texas. the border crossing there is back up. and dhs doubling down on the decision to deport haitian refugees. an refugees s are the things america makes out here. the history she writes in her clear blue skies. the legends she births on home town fields. and the future she promises. when we made grand wagoneer, proudly assembled in america, we knew no object would ever rank with the best things in this country. but we believed we could make something worthy of their spirit.
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big oil's billion dollar secret is about to be exposed. next month the house oversight committee is expected to grill executives of the four largest publicly traded oil and gas companies about their role in spreading disinformation about climate change. recordings of exxon lobbyists leaked by green piece reveal how the fossil fuel industry is deliberately slowing down the
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fight against global warming. >> when climate change came, well, is here, when it started, you start conversations to say well, you can't completely change the electric grid from coal and gas into wind. and here's why. t the same conversation. you can't ban plastics because here's why. or you can't recycle legislate 100% recycling. here's why. >> these tactics will be the focus of a hearing on october 28th where the leaders of exxon mobile, chevron and shell will face off with lawmakers. joining me now, democratic representative of illinois, a member of the house oversight and reform committee. first, i want to get your response to what we were just listening to, congressman. what sort of jumps out there for you? >> well, i think on the one hand
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they like to associate themselves with positive pr efforts that purportedly make them champions of the fighting climate change. on the other hand as the lobbyist details in the video, they fund efforts to question climate science. they fund efforts to kill legislation. and you know, basically the purpose of our investigation is to expose this so that the american people know exactly what they're doing even as we're trying to move forward in an urgent way, legislation to battle climate change right now. >> your investigation of the fossil fuel industry has earned comparisons to congress's attack on big tobacco in the 1990s. i want to play a clip from one of those hearings. take a listen. >> the initiative that they're trying to get on the ballot is described as something that strictly protects the
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nonsmokers, strict regulations, and tough smoking restrictions, but, in fact, this is a campaign paid for by the phillip morris company. you can see on the small print, you can't see it from there, but if one were looking at the envelopes. californians for statewide restrictions from restaurants, hotels and phillip morris inc. i understand it puts on a preemption of the local laws that protect the nonsmokers, in fact, and would weaken it with a state-wide standard. >> so i got to say, congressman, that congressional visual aids have improved very much in the past 20 years. now you'd be able to see what he was pointing to. but have you been thinking about those hearings as you prepare for your own? >> yes. i think that that's an excellent illustration of how an industry
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can kind of cloak its actions with pr measures, and in the process basically distract and divert attention from what they're doing. one of the things the fossil fuel industry has done is fund 91 different groups to question climate science. they have spent $1 billion over a three-year period on lobbying efforts. some people believe that's more than what they've spent on promoting and developing fossil fuel -- i'm sorry, alternative fuels which they claim to believe in. so this is something that we absolutely have to shine a spotlight on. and i do think that the tobacco industry hearings provide an analogy to what's going on right now. >> how much of this do you think is just about changing lobbying rules the way the lobbyists interact with members of congress? >> i think there's a lot there. and obviously we need to pass hr
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one and other similar measures can tackle some of these issues. but obviously right now in the next few weeks, as we're trying to push through reconciliations, some really important changes such as funding electric vehicle charging stations which the fossil fuel industry is opposing. or being able to speed the process or the transition to alternative fuels which, again, the fossil fuel industry is opposing. we need to shine a spotlight on how they are opposing these things so the american people know as they decide on what to do next. >> all right. congressman, as always, thank you. next, calling the haitian refugee crisis at the border nothing new. we're going to take you to del rio, texas. plus a senator on what the house could do tomorrow to further biden's agenda, and the realities that await in the
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it's been nearly a week since disturbing photos focussed of horseback officials charging at haitians on the border. the area since has been cleared out. the biden administration says over 1200 haitian migrants were allowed into the u.s. to wait for their asylum cases to be heard. but 8,000 voluntarily returned to mexico and over 2000 were
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deported to haiti. earlier today homeland security secretary defended the administration's decision to deport migrants to haiti while also acknowledging u.s. imdprags laws need to be restructured. >> with the decision to send 2000 haitian migrants back to haiti in these circumstances, in hindsight, was a mistake? >> no. that's the exercise of a public health imperative. we're in the midst of a pandemic. the cdc has a title 42 authority that we exercise to protect the migrants themselves. to protect the local communities. our personnel, and the american public. the pandemic is not behind us. title 42 is a public health policy, not an immigration policy. i think we need the challenges but we are working in a completely broken system, and as to that, this is unanimity in washington and the country. i've never heard anyone say the laws in immigration are well
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structured. >> nbc news correspondent has the latest from del rio. >> good evening. going over the numbers we're waiting for. another number mentioned is the 5,000 migrants that remained in processing centers as of friday. processing centers like the one behind me where they're still waiting to get the documents that would allow them to possibly stay in the u.s. and eventually see an immigration judge. congresswoman sheila jackson lee from the houston area has been helping some of the migrants to make their way to their destination. she says a lot of them need help. they need food. they need to be able to shower or something before they are able to transition. she also made her way to del rio today to check up on the migrants that have been at the processing centers. this is what she had to say. >> there is a way to be humane in dealing with the issue of migrants who are fleeing persecution. fleeing fear, if you will. fleeing conditions that cannot
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tolerate them as families, as children. >> now, one of the numbers also given out is the 8,000 migrants that returned voluntarily to mexico. these migrants are expected to join others that are already in the country. thousands that have remained in mexico. some of them are seeking work permits in that country. immigration officials there have said they're trying to do what they can to give these permits to the migrants that want to stay and work in mexico, but we do know that the immigration system down there hasn't been able to process the permits and is being overwhelmed with the number of migrants that continue to come from central america into mexico and are now in that country with an uncertain future. >> reporting from del rio, thank you. next, the perfect match. one man's decision to give his husband the gift of life. both are here with their incredible story of survival. and later, former secretary julian castro on all the messes
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before the break, we told you about the love story of a couple redefining the meaning of a perfect match. raphael diaz giving the gift of his kidney to the man he married, reid alexander. they both join me now. guys, i -- i teased to this a moment ago and my text messages are already blowing up about how cute the two of you are. so thank you so much for -- for being with us. >> thank you. >> um, reid, here is the thing which is i imagine that when you were diagnosed with something like this and -- and you were young, there is a question as you start dating about self-disclosure. when it is that you share this information with someone else?
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so how did you make that decision? why did you decide to share and when? >> well, i mean, when i was young, i kind of shared it with everyone. like, because i was a junior in high school. but like, specifically with raf, i shared it with him pretty early because i wear hearing aids and my diet was pretty restrictive. so like, he would have known or noticed like these issues, right, pretty early. so, i just went ahead and shared it. you know, i am very open about it. really, nothing to hide. so i didn't think it was an issue or a problem that i should hide. >> right. and, raphael, it doesn't seem that it was one for you but what was your response when reid chose to share that with you? >> well, i was like -- he told me about the [ inaudible ] that he had because we was walking together for the first time. i mean, i am nutritionist so i know kind of this problem. so it was not difficult for me
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to understand. and i was like, okay, we can do together with this but i really don't know how bad he needed the kidney. so in that moment was only like i have this restriction and i have this problems. >> you know, what was interesting -- there's a lot interesting to me about this story. but raphael, initially, reid protested you giving him your kidney when you said i'm -- >> oh, my god, all the time. >> all the time? this was an ongoing conversation? >> yeah. he protest the first time that we have it that was in september when he got the -- he -- when he start dialysis and i start to phone him like, hey, well, i can go and do the testing. and he protest until the day that i go to the doctor with him and i told the doctor like, okay, how can i do it? like, how can i be a donor? so i think the most difficult part for being a donor is to decide how -- when you you need to ask.
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like, when you need to really, really start the process because as soon as you start the process, the -- they finish so quickly. i mean, they give you the result so easy and they told you yes or no. but the difficult part is decide to do it. >> right. so talk to me, reid, about the other side of that which is the -- the decision to accept that help. >> well i mean, we -- we started talking about it pretty early on in our relationship and i was like, no, you don't have to do that for me. it's such a huge sacrifice. like, i'm on the list already and i'm really good and this was back in september of last year. and then, when i started dialysis in february of this year, it was like, you know, like, i know you really want to do it but at that point i was on the list in two states. so i was like, you know, like it's just a waiting game. like, you don't have to make that huge sacrifice for me but he was very, very persistent. so i was like, okay, if you want to do it, like let's do it. like, um, let's go through this process and, you know, i'm so happy that i did. and i'm so happy that i let him do it because i got a kidney out active and, you know, we're both
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healthy now. >> all right. we love to see it. reid, raphael, thank you both so much. >> thank you. a new hour of "american voices" begins right now. this hour, texas quickly becoming a battleground for democracy. there is fraudit 2.0, the crisis, the humanitarian crisis at the border, threats to voting rights, and attacks on reproductive rights. two texans tell us how to fight back. and then, there is florida where new reporting reveals a big lie by the state's gop used to sell an election bill that helps them win. concerning news with a year and change to the midterms. plus, high stakes on the hill. we are just hours away from critical votes for the biden agenda in the house. senator alex padilla is here to tell us. and yet, more confusion
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